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  1. grig314

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    Israeli Terrorism explains it all.
     
  2. ElCasanova

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    And the PLO, a terrorist organization does not explain it?

    And the Hamas, a terrorist organization does not explain it as well?
     
  3. Distant Lover

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    The unwillingness of the Arabs to accept the existence of Israel explains it.
     
  4. stumbler

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    You'll probably find discredited individuals who might say some nonsense like the Arabs have not recognized Israel's right to exist, but that's just bullshit propaganda and they know it because Arabs officially recognizing Israel's right to exist has already happened.
     
  5. stumbler

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    They're all terrorists El Casanova and the Nation of Israel is guilty of terrorism, war crimes and murder in order to drive the Palestinians off their own land and out of Israel.

    Everyone sees the Palestinians, and other Muslims as terrorists but its ethnocentric and dangerously wrong not to recognize that Israel and the US have also resorted to terrorism.

    And ya know El Casanova, if Israel had actually negotiated in good faith with Yasser Arafat, instead of funneling funds to Hamas to try and over throw him, this issue could have been settled.

    Instead the funded and supported Hamas knowing it would divide the Palestinians and create another terrorist group to keep the hatred and killing going.
     
  6. King Nothing

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  7. stumbler

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    We're not talking about official relations. We're talking about Israel's Red Herring fallacy that all the Arab states around it "publicly recognize Israel's right to exist.

    And so:

    But this article also raises some very important points. Such as just when was it that the US demanded that the rest of the world recognize our "right to exist"?

    *not_secure_link*tpmcafe.talkingpoi...ck/2007/11/israels-right-to-exist-a-doubl.php



    By the way did you get a chance to review this source for academic and historical credibility?


    *not_secure_link*chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/rokach.html
     
  8. Hunter-Seeker

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    Offered? How kind of them. When there are organizations trying to destroy your country, or promoting the ideal of destroying your country to their people, peace is not possible until they either agree to stop or made to stop. It's their hatred of Israel that keeps the conflict going, and that will not stop until they accept its existence there as something that they don't have to change. When that hate goes hand in hand with antisemitism, the need for a "Jewish state" arises. Not that that means, or ever meant, exclusively or primarily Jewish.

    When you live in what you don't own or currently rent, you get evicted no matter how hard you play the race card. The fact that they're Arabs is only the reason it's presented as racism, not the reason it happens in the first place. Unless you count the places settled by Jordan when it occupied this area after it expelled the Jews, and then it does have something to do with racism... Just not Israel's.

    That is a lie. The heritage sites(among dozens of others in the new list) got some extra budget- They are not being withheld in any way, and even their status is nothing new. It's being spinned as an attack in order to ferment violence, and that says a lot more about Palestinian aggression than Israeli. It's not a grievance- It's an excuse. They would have found another.

    So they didn't agree to peace talks.
    Get this- East Jerusalem is not exclusively Palestinian and Jewish neighborhoods there are not settlements.

    What right does the Palestinians have?

    What a screwed up morality, to consider killing a terrorist worse than protecting him. [sarcasm]And yes, I'm sure it was mainly to show off, not to stop his weapons deal there and other attacks on Israel's citizens.[/sarcasm] And that's IF it was Israel that did it.
    This is war. Does your government put other countries' borders above its security?

    EDIT: Correction.
     
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  10. Distant Lover

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    Thursday, March 25 2010

    I'm glad to see AP finally followed up with a proper story about the Palestinian Authority naming a public square in the town of Bireh after Dalal Mughrabi. She was part of a group of terrorists who infiltrated Israel from Lebanon in 1978. They hijacked a bus, tossing grenades and firing on nearby cars. It was the deadliest terror attack in Israeli history: 38 civilians killed (including 13 children), 71 injured, and is known in Israel as the Coastal Road Massacre.

    The NY Times and the Israeli media covered Bireh two weeks ago -- a long time in blog years. But it's still significant that AP nevertheless picked up on this. Here are three reasons why I say better late than never.

    1. The PA's glorification of terrorists and incitement against Israel's very legitimacy is very under-reported in the mainstream media.
    2. Israeli attitudes towards peace talks cannot be understood without an awareness of the Palestinian atmosphere.
    3. Associated Press content is probably the most widely distributed in the world.
     
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    ...And they promoted an imprisoned terrorist to major-general. If this isn't reaching out to peace and acceptance, I don't know what is.
     
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  12. Distant Lover

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    You have no obligation to negotiate with people who admire Adolf Hitler and who are committed to destroying you.
     
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    "Columbus didn't discover America, it was already there"
    SoH
     
  14. stumbler

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    Actually all logic and international precedence is against this invented precedence that anyone, let alone the Arab States have to "recognize Israel's right to exist. Its always been a Red Herring fallacy designed only to keep from having to negotiate any meaningful peaceful resolutions, while Israel uses terrorism, war crimes, persecution and murder to keep the tensions and hatred going because the last thing Israel wants is peace, when their whole strategy since their creation was to expand their borders by provoking their Arab neighbors into war.

    Here's the real Israel.

    *not_secure_link*chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/rokach.html


    No, you see this is another huge lie that's been told by Israel, that they have a right to be in Jerusalem when its a violation of international law, not recognized as the Capitol of Israel by even the US and was planned from the beginning. Israel is illegally occupying Jerusalem and the other territories.

    But let me expose another form of Israeli false propaganda. Here, you're trying to contend that the Israeli eviction of Palestinians from their homes in Jerusalem is justified. We've had others on this thread contend that the naming of Jewish Holy sites in occupied territories is justified. Others contend that expansions in the occupied territories is justified.

    However, when we look at the whole picture the pattern emerges. What all of this actually amount to is provocation, persecution, and doing everything Israel can to stop the peace process just as they have done for the past 60 years.


    No I've been watching this for close to 40 years now and this is typical of Israel which has steadfastly refused to negotiate any meaningful peaceful settlements because their real and original intent was the same Zionist goals the Arabs accused them of having and never giving up.

    It's all right here in one of your former Prime Minister's own words.

    *not_secure_link*chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/rokach.html


    Get this according to international law and the very charter that created Israel, Israel is illegally occupying Jerusalem and the other territories.

    This is nothing more than the terrorism, war crimes and murder Israel has been guilty of since its creation.


    First and foremost the Palestinians have the same basic human rights as all humans on this planet and for more than 60 years the US and West have turned a blind eye to Israel's constant violation of those same human rights. That probably more than anything else according to the testimony of Gen. David Petraeus before Congress last week is what makes the US goals in the Middle East much harder and is getting our troops killed.

    I'd say that's a much bigger price than we should be willing to pay for Israel to be an international bully, who actually don't have much of a complaint against terrorists since the Government of Israel resorted to terrorism first in order to drive the Palestinians out of Israel.


    No this is not war and never has been. Its terrorism, war crimes, persecution and murder on the part of a government that lied from the very beginning of its creation and has enjoyed the blind support of the US and the West much to our own pain, destruction, and death.

    But hey, you know what? let's do it this way. Neither myself or apparently the US government can tell Israel what to do which is fine because they are after all a sovereign nation.

    But do it without US aid and support is all I'm saying. If the Israelis and Palestinians can't find peace, fine. Then the US should cut off all aid and support to both of them and bring our troops home.

    And then you guys can kill each other all you want and may the best killer win.
     
  15. stumbler

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    PS Where did you get these quotes that you are attributing to me? Or in other words just how dishonest are you?
     
  16. stumbler

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    Yeah, but you guys elect your terrorists as prime ministers don't you?
     
  17. Distant Lover

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    Mohammad Amin al-Husayni

    Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (Arabic: محمد أمين الحسيني‎, often printed with the French transliteration al-Husseini,[1] 1895/1897 - July 4, 1974), a member of the al-Husayni clan of Jerusalem, was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in the British Mandate of Palestine. From 1921 to 1948, he was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and played a key role in opposition to Zionism and a state for the Jews living in the Palestine region...

    On November 20, al-Husayni met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop[116] and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28.[117] He asked Hitler for a public declaration that "recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland"...

    The Mufti was in Berlin during the war, but later denied knowing of the Holocaust. One of Adolf Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated after the war that he had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews.

    *not_secure_link*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni
     
  18. stumbler

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    *not_secure_link*chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/rokach.html
     
  19. Distant Lover

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    The Jews returned to the land of their ancestors as peaceful immigrants. They were attacked. They fought back. They won. They had no need to initiate the use of violence because they could out compete the Palestinians by using their minds. That was why they were attacked. That is why they have continued to win.
     
  20. stumbler

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    I told you before I could give a flying fuck what the Jews did. My concern is and always has been what the government of Israel had done. And there is no doubt, that the Government of Israel committed terrorism, war crimes and murder to drive the Palestinians off their land and out of Israel.

    That is indisputable fact. Now if you want to make excuses for terrorists and terrorism be my guest DL, but don't even try to pretend you don't know the truth by know.